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 Post subject: On the fence
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:55 am 
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We are supposed to go for weeks 2 and 3 at the Divi Links. We are both in our 70s with no big underlying problems. I want to wait until Thanksgiving before pulling the plug but my wife is more pessimistic than me. The 2 weeks in Jan sure helped passing a lousy Conn winter. Any thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:37 am 
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While our trips are not until May my wife and I are 'negotiating' all the issues out there. Your post could have been written by me for the similarities we share.

Like you, we are in our 70's but my wife has been dealing with an underlying condition for a few years. In control but a bit risky.

Jet Blue just released our travel dates a couple weeks ago. We have enough JB miles to last us several years so the cost of flying is not an issue. Being in the plane, sanitized as it might be, we can only wonder just how 'safe' that really is. We usually book flights on the release date. Not this year.

Then there's the ED form. Arranging a Covid test and obtaining the results all to be done within the 72 to 4 hour window. Worrying about positive vs. negative after all arrangements are made. Or, not getting the results back in time and having to take the Aruba Covid test at the airport. Then hoping for a negative and not a false positive. Then that mystery quarantine!

While all of that doesn't sound like much to others I'd bet that you share the same concerns.

THEN, weigh all of the above against all the days on the beach on Aruba.

We are leaning toward making the trip? You?

You guys will make the right decision no matter what you decide.

Talk about 'Risk - Reward'.

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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:43 am 
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I'd take the lousy Connecticut winter over the possibility of being deathly ill and maybe recovering in a foreign country any day! How lucky do you feel? That's me, not you. I'm sure whatever you decide will be the right decision for you.

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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
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We are still on schedule for a November 30th to December 14th trip. We haven't faulted in our resolve. We are concerned but in better the average good health for our ages.

I have been researching places that can get the required test in time and spoken to them. If you tell them you need the results for a trip within 72 hours there are places that will do it.

I drive to the airport and contacted the valet parking place I have used for years and they have a "clean" policy. Flying United and member of the United Clubs and they have their "clean" policy. We are flying first class as we usually do so not worried about the third seat.

I have my rental car set at the Aruba airport and had communication with them and their steps for providing a "clean" car.

The Divi has been proactive and sent their policies for public areas and rooms.

Looking at the restaurants we go to, stores, etc they all have their governmental approved policies.

We will bring a lot of cleaning sanitizing products and disposable gloves. I have been researching face masks looking for the ones special for traveling and warm climates.

It's about planning and being proactive. Since Covid came to New York I have shopped, travelled, worked while New York was the epicenter of the virus in the US. I believe if I do what I have done here and do that on my way to and while in Aruba and back it will work out.

Do I think I have and/or will cover any and all possible scenarios. Guess we will find out.

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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
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Please submit a trip report when you return from Aruba. I am sure we are all waiting for your assessment!
Thank you in advance :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:47 am 
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Excellent research and proactivity. I should start finding out stuff while time is on our side.
A lot can happen, either way, between now and May.

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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
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I think we may be back on for Thanksgiving. Delta had cancelled our flight but they gave us our money back. I just looked at Southwest and they have a flight at half the cost so I think we may be going after all. I will get past the testing some how.


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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
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Planning and being proactive is key for travel right now. Be ready with Plan B and Plan C in place in case Plan A fails.

We have been flying again now since Sept. and there are more items on the usual packing list/carryon (gloves, extra masks, etc. - we always packed wipes for the plane in the past because trays and IFE screens are dirty.)

Our plans are still in place for Oct. 30 for 3 weeks. Our flight changes seem to have calmed down now so I think Delta is "a go" with our current flights/times. We stay at Amsterdam Manor which is a small hotel. It was easy to social distance when the hotel was full because of few rooms and abundant space so shouldn't be any problems with a quiet hotel. I think the only places we will run into a lot of people will be the Aruba Airport and the grocery stores. Masks and a lot of hand washing/sanitizer just like at home.

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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
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We too are going first class so that helps. Our ts at the Links is an eagle unit with two rooms on each floor of the building so no elevators. It is in the back of the resort so that helps too. We take out insurance with medical so if we need it we would be in Florida probably. I may have convinced myself but that is only half the battle. Conn has been very good at controlling the virus but you never know. Maybe I will try the would you rather catch Covid while standing in line at Stop and Shop or sitting on the beach in Aruba approach. Probably won’t work. Nice try though.


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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:14 pm 
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Because my wife and I are residents here, we're in a somewhat different boat than you guys. We tested at the airport on arrival, and it wasn't a big deal - but if we tested positive, it just meant staying at home for a few weeks, not in an "unknown isolation location", so I can definitely appreciate your concerns.

However, since we did travel (to and from NY) recently, I have to say that we are holding off any other travel for now. Aruba itself is fine; New York was fine; but the airports and flights themselves made us very uncomfortable. Too many people in the boarding area not wearing masks, or drinking big gulps with hummingbird-like sips to ensure they didn't have to wear a mask "because they are eating". On the plane, we found similar behavior - regardless of whether we were in coach or first class - with flight attendants not keen to be the "mask police."

Obviously lots can and will change over the next several months, but unless we figure out how to teleport I don't think we'll be cleared for takeoff anytime soon.


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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
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but the airports and flights themselves made us very uncomfortable. Too many people in the boarding area not wearing masks, or drinking big gulps with hummingbird-like sips to ensure they didn't have to wear a mask "because they are eating". On the plane, we found similar behavior - regardless of whether we were in coach or first class - with flight attendants not keen to be the "mask police."



Wow! I have found the opposite to be true with the recent flights we have been on. Everyone on our flights was mask compliant, boarding was very orderly (back to front) and evenly spaced. Even the Delta Skyclubs were good with markers on the floor for the line at the bar (everyone adhering to social distancing and masks). I looked back into the coach cabin a few times on the plane and masks were in place and middle seats blocked out. It was much more of a calming experience than I had anticipated. We did see a Delta FA ask someone to pull their mask up and they complied without hesitation.

I am hoping our Aruba flights on Delta go as smoothly as our domestic flights.

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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
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The Divi and AA are allowing you to use the plane ticket and ts weeks at any time during 2021


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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
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ArubaAmy wrote:
bryanzs wrote:
but the airports and flights themselves made us very uncomfortable. Too many people in the boarding area not wearing masks, or drinking big gulps with hummingbird-like sips to ensure they didn't have to wear a mask "because they are eating". On the plane, we found similar behavior - regardless of whether we were in coach or first class - with flight attendants not keen to be the "mask police."



Wow! I have found the opposite to be true with the recent flights we have been on. Everyone on our flights was mask compliant, boarding was very orderly (back to front) and evenly spaced. Even the Delta Skyclubs were good with markers on the floor for the line at the bar (everyone adhering to social distancing and masks). I looked back into the coach cabin a few times on the plane and masks were in place and middle seats blocked out. It was much more of a calming experience than I had anticipated. We did see a Delta FA ask someone to pull their mask up and they complied without hesitation.

I am hoping our Aruba flights on Delta go as smoothly as our domestic flights.


For me it's what I do not what others do. I will have my mask, gloves, sanitizer sheets and liquid and stay away from those who look like they don't. From what I read all airlines require masks in flight.

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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
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We just returned from our annual two week trip to Aruba, the flight from Newark to Aruba was almost full in both directions. As for being safe I honestly felt safer in Aruba than in my local supermarket. When entering most restaurants and casinos you were asked to fill out a contact tracing form, your temperature was check and they sanitized your hands, the tables were spaced out in restaurants and only four people were allowed per table. Would not hesitate to go back

When arriving at the airport have your green check mark ED printout handy and a copy of your test results. The process for us from getting off the plane to walking out the front door of the airport took about 30 minutes. We returned this past Friday and the total time from arriving at the airport to reaching the gate was also about 30 minutes. On a side note another member of our party travelled home on Saturday and from arrival to the gate was about an hour and 15 minutes, they said the delay was at the Aruba security checkpoint.

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 Post subject: Re: On the fence
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i have never even considered cancelling. I don't have any health issues and will do what i can to keep myself safe same as im doing here in NJ.

I spend my airport time at the united club and only go to the gate when they start boarding. I always "wipe" the plane down and this time i have a travel size can of lysol, hopefully no objections to me spraying my area. United is not blocking any seats so that may be my closest contact to anyone.

As far as being on the island, I spend most of my time outside. I will wear my mask where required and keep my distance from anyone who isn't. is it a crap shoot, yup, but so is doing the same things at home.

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