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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:07 pm 
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21 in quarantine and a local and tourist tested positive from Miami. Not sure if any of the 21 are from this plane but I would think there are.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:17 pm 
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So, does that mean that 21 incoming passengers took the Aruba test and the results showed positive? Any word on their travel companions?

The local and the tourist? They are in some quarantine place?

Sounds ugly!

Thanx for the info.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:11 am 
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The 21 were mostly already in quarantine. They are locals who came home on other flights earlier. Only 2 more people are new in quarantine because they tested positive after flying in from Miami. Not even sure if they were on the same plane, but the other 19 were not.


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Not 100% but I was told they were on same plane. If they were not, its even worse. How can there be no one else on the plane quarantined? If this is as contagious as we are being told, there will be more. Masks don't do jack for you and before you tell me how they work, look up the 10 scientific studies done on masks. All come to the same conclusion, they provide very minimal protection.


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Not 100% but I was told they were on same plane. If they were not, its even worse. How can there be no one else on the plane quarantined? If this is as contagious as we are being told, there will be more. Masks don't do jack for you and before you tell me how they work, look up the 10 scientific studies done on masks. All come to the same conclusion, they provide very minimal protection.


The Aruba governement does publish figures daily. There were 19 people in quarantine two days ago. Since yesterday it is 21, so they were not on the same plane.

There are no details when those persons were tested positive: immediately after landing, or a few days later. So we don’t know if these persons were infecteous when they were flying.

But the drill is that Aruba will do a contact research to find out who were in close proximity of the people infected, and put them in quarantine as well. The 19 people that were already in quarantine also arrived on planes. Not all passengers on these planes had to go into quarantine. It could well be that none of the other passengers had to go into quarantine.

I agree that masks that are not medical, do not give very well protection.


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dutchdushi wrote:


There are no details when those persons were tested positive: immediately after landing, or a few days later. So we don’t know if these persons were infecteous when they were flying.



I know the tourist for sure tested positive after the airport test. Not sure why this person was tested again when arriving because they came from Miami, a "hotspot", so the test had to be done 72 hours before the flight.


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Arubadan wrote:
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There are no details when those persons were tested positive: immediately after landing, or a few days later. So we don’t know if these persons were infecteous when they were flying.



I know the tourist for sure tested positive after the airport test. Not sure why this person was tested again when arriving because they came from Miami, a "hotspot", so the test had to be done 72 hours before the flight.


The tourist did not have to "come from" Miami, but rather connected through Miami. Miami airport is a connection for flights originating elsewhere (Boston or New York for example). So if the tourist began their flight in the northeast for example they would not need to be tested until they arrived in Aruba. I do not know any specifics to this case just sharing facts about connecting in Miami.

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Miami is a hub for not just the US but the world. So just because the plane came from Miami does not mean the person is American after all.

So I get off the plane they test me and several hours later they tell me I am positive.

Must I now wear a wrist band and tracker.

Do they make me stay at my hotel and get room service.

Will they be checking up on me.

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I get its a connection, I have connected through Miami many times. I have been told this person is FROM Miami. Like I said, not sure if that is accurate, just what I was told. I am sure there is a lot of misinformation flying around among the locals.


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[quote="Arubadan"]I get its a connection, I have connected through Miami many times. I have been told this person is FROM Miami. Like I said, not sure if that is accurate, just what I was told. I am sure there is a lot of misinformation flying around among the locals.[/quote]

Yes, that has been my experience over the years...long before the current situation with covid-19 :wink:

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If one of the two infected persons is from Miami, then two scenarios could be:

O. Had a negative test in the states and contracted Covid after arrival and informed the authorities they came in on a flight from Miami.

O. Is from Miami but has a second address in a non-hot state and used the non-hot state address so they could be tested upon arrival and was positive.

Bottom line is someone from the states arrived in Aruba and is positive. We all know there will be people who will try to beat the system. That is not saying this person did. As long as people try to game the system, Stuff Happens!


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...For official, daily stats go to arubacovid19.org
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This will be interesting to follow.

Personally, I believe that what Aruba "should" have done is extend by another 30 days from July 10 and re-evaluate based on updated situation.

Based on my conversations in the pool and hot tub over 25 years, many Americans arrive in Aruba after connection in Charlotte or Miami (among others). Both states are surging, and Miami is quite the "hot spot" now.

During the past 4 months, some people haven't been very careful at all (which is why so many states are surging now) and others have been extremely careful, stayed mainly at home, worn face coverings, interacted as little as possible.

BUT travel day changes all of that because you mix everyone together in airport and flight soup.

Minimum of 2 airports to get to Aruba. Lots of high-touch surfaces, prolonged contact possible in many locations, then the flight (or flights) again with high touch surfaces and prolonged contact. You may have tested negative 72 hours before travel, others in the same airports haven't tested at all (flying domestically, or don't need to test before their destination), others on same plane may or may not have tested.

Negative results are quite possible in the first few days after acquiring Covid-19. So, 72 hour prior test may be negative, but by travel day you could be shedding virus. Are you REQUIRED to re-test on arrival AUA? For those who did not submit the 72 hour prior test before arriving on the island, your arrival test again can be negative because you acquired Covid-19 ON THE DAY OF TRAVEL (you just don't know it yet). That's probably the highest risk day you've had since March.

The missing piece in the protocol - which I realize would NOT be popular with travelers but nonetheless it is still the missing piece - is a mandatory test (re-test) between day 3-5 after arrival for everyone arriving on the island. If the previous tests were negative because you acquired Covid-19 very recently, or if you acquired it on your travel day, this is where it would be caught and contact tracing could be done relatively easily.

With this test NOT in the protocol, basically Aruba needs to wait for a tourist to become symptomatic (which some will not) and seek out a test (again, some will not), and during that time there will likely be community spread (grocery store, transport, shops, casino, bars, so many places).

Wonder whether (a) Aruba will adjust the protocol (b) accept that it has become America's little Covid island so travelers from other locations like Europe and Canada will probably just avoid it (c) close the border to US travelers or have an adjusted US specific protocol (NOT state specific because people from any state can be in the airports and on the aircraft), or (d) end up with so much community spread so quickly that there's no choice but to shut down again.

It's something of a rhetorical question because time will tell and I really don't think it will take very long for that to happen. On a small island, this can go really badly, really quickly, which is why they so quickly slammed the borders closed in March.

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One of the two reported yesterday was an Arubian resident who was returning from the Dominican Republic via Miami. The second was an American "coming from" Miami (though no indication still as to whether they were a "hot spot" state resident, or just transiting through).

Today (17 July), 3 more positive cases were caught at the airport, all Americans. No information (yet) on where they were traveling from.

As far as I know, anyone who tests positive has to go to The Quarantine Hotel (...wherever that is...), and any of their family members who are traveling with them have to go there as well.


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bryanzs wrote:
One of the two reported yesterday was an Arubian resident who was returning from the Dominican Republic via Miami. The second was an American "coming from" Miami (though no indication still as to whether they were a "hot spot" state resident, or just transiting through).

Today (17 July), 3 more positive cases were caught at the airport, all Americans. No information (yet) on where they were traveling from.

As far as I know, anyone who tests positive has to go to The Quarantine Hotel (...wherever that is...), and any of their family members who are traveling with them have to go there as well.



Jeez, only Day 7 since Aruba opened to US tourists and 4 already. Does anyone know for how long the person who tests positive (and their travel companions) need to remain at the Quarantine Hotel, wherever it may be?

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