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 Post subject: Re: NEW GUIDELINES
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:33 am 
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happyt1, as a NH gal...thanks. During the first few months the Governor gave a live update each day (well at least each week day, and may still)and as you stated had a Q and A with appropriate staff. In addition, the governors of NH and the neighboring states, MA ,Maine and VT worked together. As NH governor said ....we share a beach coast with MA, we had to work together on opening the beaches. NH also publishes ( available on wmur website) town by town virus counts. There has always been an interesting pie graph updated and available showing the percentage of NH cases in 10 year span age groups. The second highest count has consistently been in the 20-30 age group....some of us could see the current country situation coming. Anyhow...congrats to NH Governor....an example of leadership!

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Interesting you say the numbers goes up if you do more testing. This is only true if you don’t take extra measures. In the Netherlands everybody can get tested sine 6/1. The numbers did slightly go up the first two weeks, but since then, they are really declining to a very low number. In fact, only 0.5% of all who takes the test, now tests positive. It is the combination of keeping the guidelines, testing and contact research (and quarantine) that does the trick.

Everything is better in the Netherlands right?


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dutchdushi wrote:
Interesting you say the numbers goes up if you do more testing. This is only true if you don’t take extra measures. In the Netherlands everybody can get tested sine 6/1. The numbers did slightly go up the first two weeks, but since then, they are really declining to a very low number. In fact, only 0.5% of all who takes the test, now tests positive. It is the combination of keeping the guidelines, testing and contact research (and quarantine) that does the trick.

Everything is better in the Netherlands right?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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dutchdushi wrote:
Interesting you say the numbers goes up if you do more testing. This is only true if you don’t take extra measures. In the Netherlands everybody can get tested sine 6/1. The numbers did slightly go up the first two weeks, but since then, they are really declining to a very low number. In fact, only 0.5% of all who takes the test, now tests positive. It is the combination of keeping the guidelines, testing and contact research (and quarantine) that does the trick.

Everything is better in the Netherlands right?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


and New York. Considering we were ground zero for the entire US now the entire State is or below 1% positive testing. The secret is people have and are taking it seriously and we wear masks. I do see friends and families in groups with no masks and social distancing but when "others" come by they regroup.

Personally I don't see how masks are the only answer but it seems to work.

AND New Yorkers are NOT on the banned States allowed to Aruba.

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 Post subject: Re: NEW GUIDELINES
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The recent surges in U.S. coronavirus cases can be traced to two key factors -- crowds of protesters and proximity to the U.S.-Mexico border, Dr. Scott Atlas, a senior fellow at The Hoover Institution, said Saturday night.
Most of the cases in the Southwest -- California, Arizona and Texas -- are occuring in counties closest to the U.S.-Mexico border, Atlas told anchor Jon Scott during an appearance on on "Fox Report Weekend."
"When you look in the southern counties of California, Arizona and the bordering counties of Texas -- with the Mexico border -- these are where most of these cases are really exploding," Atlas said. "And then you look at the Mexico map and in Mexico, that's where their cases are. Their cases are in the northern border zone states. And it turns out the timeline here correlates much more to the Mexico timeline of increasing cases than anything else."
"They correlate mainly to two things -- the big thousands and thousands of people with protesting, sharing megaphones, screaming. That's a setup to spread cases," Atlas said. "And also when you look at the analysis of the border counties, there's a tremendous amount of cases coming over the border and exchanging with families in the northern Mexico states."
Atlas also explained the hospital capacity situation in Texas and Arizona.
"So the real concern that that I see right now is that there are hospitals getting crowded in their ICUs and this is clearly a concern," Atlas said. "The crowding is from the reinstatement of regular medical care, which is actually very important. We have locked that down before and that policy kills people. So we don't want to go back to that."
"The solution to this is really protect the high risk in a more diligent way than we are, the very highest-risk group. We have been very, very clear about that to people," Atlas said. "The second part is increase the hospital capacity."

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comet07 wrote:
ronnieb wrote:
dutchdushi wrote:
Interesting you say the numbers goes up if you do more testing. This is only true if you don’t take extra measures. In the Netherlands everybody can get tested sine 6/1. The numbers did slightly go up the first two weeks, but since then, they are really declining to a very low number. In fact, only 0.5% of all who takes the test, now tests positive. It is the combination of keeping the guidelines, testing and contact research (and quarantine) that does the trick.

Everything is better in the Netherlands right?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I nowhere said that everything is better in the Netherlands. I just share the information I have from working at the frontline at the public health organisation. Which uses the same methods as on Aruba, as we are one Kingdom. If you don’t want to read it, just don’t. No need to be nasty.


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Dutchdushi, ronnieb was not being nasty when he said "everything is better in the Netherlands". In the past there were travel advertisements in the US which said "It's better in the Bahamas." (The Bahamians wanted more tourists.) Most people are proud of their country and their state and aren't surprised when others are proud of their own native land.


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My PCP told me Friday that other countries who are watching the US in order to open or close to visitors keep a close check on us via four categories of Covid numbers with regard to danger to contagion: "Doubling, growing, plateauing, and decreasing".

The 24 "Bad States" fall in the first two categories thus those error reports that Aruba was going to ban those residents surfaced. That was what drove last weeks scare in here. That 'ban' never happened.
Instead, the instant plan was created and is in effect, that residents of those 24 states were placed into a group of potential visitors who, from that point on, were required to take the test and report a negative test result on the ED form before even departing to Aruba. No test or a positive result.... cancel the trip!

It makes quite perfect sense on Aruba's part to catch any infected folks before even departing for Aruba and having to deal with it in what we all know would be an awful result if they did get to the island and tested positive.

My PCP is scheduled for a ten day trip to the Marriott in late July hence his interest in learning all of the above. He's been my doc for over thirty years and we keep in frequent touch with Aruba news and info.

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dutchdushi wrote:
comet07 wrote:
ronnieb wrote:
dutchdushi wrote:
Interesting you say the numbers goes up if you do more testing. This is only true if you don’t take extra measures. In the Netherlands everybody can get tested sine 6/1. The numbers did slightly go up the first two weeks, but since then, they are really declining to a very low number. In fact, only 0.5% of all who takes the test, now tests positive. It is the combination of keeping the guidelines, testing and contact research (and quarantine) that does the trick.

Everything is better in the Netherlands right?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I nowhere said that everything is better in the Netherlands. I just share the information I have from working at the frontline at the public health organisation. Which uses the same methods as on Aruba, as we are one Kingdom. If you don’t want to read it, just don’t. No need to be nasty.


I also thought there was a somewhat negative tone to that post. I am as proud of the efforts of my state to deal as realistically as possible with the pandemic as anyone would be of the efforts of their own nation/state. It is also possible in hindsight to see the mistakes made in dealing with this. It should come as no surprise to anyone that a nation the size of NH and Vermont would have a better handle on this. Just look at the results in NH and Vermont.....we might be better off GLOBALLY to look at the outcomes of different policies and formulate plans of action that will benefit us all. This is not going away soon.....
I also question why the testing in the US lags so far behind as far as posting timely results. My hope is that in a month or so we will figure out how to get more/better testing done.
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dutchdushi wrote:
comet07 wrote:
ronnieb wrote:
dutchdushi wrote:
Interesting you say the numbers goes up if you do more testing. This is only true if you don’t take extra measures. In the Netherlands everybody can get tested sine 6/1. The numbers did slightly go up the first two weeks, but since then, they are really declining to a very low number. In fact, only 0.5% of all who takes the test, now tests positive. It is the combination of keeping the guidelines, testing and contact research (and quarantine) that does the trick.

Everything is better in the Netherlands right?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I nowhere said that everything is better in the Netherlands. I just share the information I have from working at the frontline at the public health organisation. Which uses the same methods as on Aruba, as we are one Kingdom. If you don’t want to read it, just don’t. No need to be nasty.

I do not consider a public health official front line material that works from home and her garden and does not wear a mask either for the record, please stop saying your a front line worker.


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Wow :!:

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Everything is better in the Netherlands right?[/quote]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]

I nowhere said that everything is better in the Netherlands. I just share the information I have from working at the frontline at the public health organisation. Which uses the same methods as on Aruba, as we are one Kingdom. If you don’t want to read it, just don’t. No need to be nasty.[/quote]
I do not consider a public health official front line material that works from home and her garden and does not wear a mask either for the record, please stop saying your a front line worker.[/quote]

You might not consider Ingrid a front line official for the public health organization (you might have missed 'organization') of her country ...what is important is Holland has given her that designation. :wink:

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I'm loving it!

Mohair---ronnieb's official spokesperson and clairvoyant. Who would have guessed?

ronnie seems you have more friends in the Swamp.

Didn't know one had to be a front line person and or a disease control specialist to have a valid opinion. Oh wait we have Dr. Fauci the begin all end all on the Covid-19. He has changed his expert opinion how many times. Remember when he said masks were useless. That was only two months ago plus any number of other things. So for me one is better asking the Magic 8 ball them the "experts".

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I do not consider a public health official front line material that works from home and her garden and does not wear a mask either for the record, please stop saying your a front line worker.


Wow, I really don’t know what I did to you to deserve this kind of bashing. If you did read my postings you could see that most of the things you are accusing me of are not true, like working from home and my garden or saying I am a frontline worker. It seems you know me better than I know myself.


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