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 Post subject: Hans email
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:25 pm 
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Just received an e-mail from Hans at Tropic that the government has raised taxes from 3% to 6% on car rentals.

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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That is because of the tax increase that went into effect July 1st. There is also a tax increase on airfare tickets arriving and leaving.


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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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Here a tax, there a tax; again! And again!! And!!!...

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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As of July 1 Taxi fares from the Airport to the high rise area rose to $31 from $25

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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Is this about Hans? Or is this about the new tax rate? Or is this about the taxi fare hikes?

Anyway, there is a thread from a few days ago showing the new taxi fare chart which includes the new tax hike.

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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leftyjy wrote:
Is this about Hans? Or is this about the new tax rate? Or is this about the taxi fare hikes?

Anyway, there is a thread from a few days ago showing the new taxi fare chart which includes the new tax hike.


leftyjy, it's all about you!

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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You would think with all the $ Aruba makes on tourism there would be no need for taxes. It’s getting out of control, just being greedy!

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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You would think with all the $ Aruba makes on tourism there would be no need for taxes. It’s getting out of control, just being greedy!


Private companies are the ones that makes this money, not the government. They need the money to upgrade and maintain the infrastructure. More tourists means more cost means more taxes. That is just how it works.

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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"More tourists mean more cost???"

To who?

In what way?

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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dutchdushi wrote:
khoever wrote:
You would think with all the $ Aruba makes on tourism there would be no need for taxes. It’s getting out of control, just being greedy!


Private companies are the ones that makes this money, not the government. They need the money to upgrade and maintain the infrastructure. More tourists means more cost means more taxes. That is just how it works.


Who gets the money for daily timeshare taxes, BBQ tax or whatever the hell that is at the end of our stay. Also there is taxes collected even when we are staying at a private villa. I agree with your statement that money is needed to upgrade and maintain the infrastructure. Lets not forget the sky high maintainance fees. Again as the old add age goes “If you want to play, you got to pay”

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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leftyjy wrote:
"More tourists mean more cost???"

To who?

In what way?


More cars on the road, more littering that needs to be cleaned, more police to keep them safe, and so on, and so on.

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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khoever wrote:
dutchdushi wrote:
khoever wrote:
You would think with all the $ Aruba makes on tourism there would be no need for taxes. It’s getting out of control, just being greedy!


Private companies are the ones that makes this money, not the government. They need the money to upgrade and maintain the infrastructure. More tourists means more cost means more taxes. That is just how it works.


Who gets the money for daily timeshare taxes, BBQ tax or whatever the hell that is at the end of our stay. Also there is taxes collected even when we are staying at a private villa. I agree with your statement that money is needed to upgrade and maintain the infrastructure. Lets not forget the sky high maintainance fees. Again as the old add age goes “If you want to play, you got to pay”


Maintainance fees are for the timeshare company, other taxes are indeed for the government. BBO is a tax for everybody, not only tourists. Yes, all those taxes have gone up and some more are added. As I said, more tourists, more cost.

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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leftyjy wrote:
"More tourists mean more cost???"

To who?

In what way?


I have to agree with the sentiments expressed here.....
More tourists should = more revenue........the proceeds should offset the costs.
Aruba can levy whatever taxes they want on whatever they want, but EVERYONE benefits from better infrastructure, security and services. Especially the Arubans.......I hope they are comfortable with the bevy of increased taxes. And see a benefit as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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Well every time we are in Aruba they are fixing the roads so I guess a lot is going to their road department, lol. Think they should add a few drains on the street so when it does rain we don't need a boat to go out for dinner, lol.

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 Post subject: Re: Hans email
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The specific tax increase that started this conversation - the additional 3% - is a new tax on _everyone_, not just tourists. Its main justification was to help repay some of the public debt incurred with the new highways, the new "green initiatives", etc., of the previous government, as well as deficits in other areas (such as government healthcare costs). In fact, as a political stunt, the new government (the party known as MEP) made sure the new tax was called "bAVP" (named after the prior government ruling party, AVP).

Now, to try and preemptively answer those of you who may question why you have to help pay for these things even though you don't live here...If someone flies to New York, for example, and buys something in a store, they pay the full sales tax, right? That seems fair, even though the tourist to New York may not benefit from where the tax money they just paid goes. They can't say, "Hey, I'm just in town for the day, so I should only pay 3% sales tax instead of 9%!"

In the same way, tourists to Aruba are helping to pay for the overall infrastructure (and other debts associated with running an entire country) even if some of that tax money doesn't directly benefit them as tourists.

And while I certainly agree that sometimes tourist-specific taxes in Aruba seem like an attempt to "milk the golden calf", you should all be aware that this is NOT an Aruba-specific problem. Every city, state, town, etc. seems to feel like visiting tourists are ripe for the picking. Here's an interesting article talking about the use of these tourist taxes around America - from back in 2011! And they've only gotten worse. If you've ever rented a car at the airport, or a hotel room in a tourist destination, in America, you've seen how much extra tax is squeezed out of the (non-voting, non-local) visitors...and I guess Aruba is just doing the same...


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